Comments on: Should Phoenix start “hotpavement”? http://www.valleyprblog.com/professional-development/should-phoenix-start-hotpavement/ A (dry heated) group blog from Phoenix, Arizona on public relations, marketing and social media Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:48:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: AZPRC | What do Phoenix and Seattle have in common 6/17? http://www.valleyprblog.com/professional-development/should-phoenix-start-hotpavement/comment-page-1/#comment-14558 AZPRC | What do Phoenix and Seattle have in common 6/17? Fri, 11 Jun 2010 23:11:11 +0000 http://www.valleyprblog.com/?p=3336#comment-14558 [...] might have read this article from Valley PR Blog late last year as his club was mentioned. Brian and his partner Jessica started [...] [...] might have read this article from Valley PR Blog late last year as his club was mentioned. Brian and his partner Jessica started [...]

]]> By: Tyler Hurst http://www.valleyprblog.com/professional-development/should-phoenix-start-hotpavement/comment-page-1/#comment-12271 Tyler Hurst Sat, 02 Jan 2010 00:52:42 +0000 http://www.valleyprblog.com/?p=3336#comment-12271 Chris- Everyone constantly doing their own thing without regard for anything else seems wasteful to me. Wouldn't it be a bit more prudent for a newcomer to the area to get involved first? And I didn't kneecap them. If my fairly benign commentary either a) convinces them not to even try or b) encourages them to get involved first, then, to the former, they must not have wanted it too badly and, to the latter, I've help in exposing them to the people who are already here. Nothing wrong with a little criticism and I in no way kneecapped their ability to do anything. What's wrong with expecting a little quality over quantity here? PS...why are you using quotation marks around rivals, superfluous and unnecessary? Are they quotes? Were you being sarcastic? I can't tell. Chris-

Everyone constantly doing their own thing without regard for anything else seems wasteful to me. Wouldn’t it be a bit more prudent for a newcomer to the area to get involved first?

And I didn’t kneecap them. If my fairly benign commentary either a) convinces them not to even try or b) encourages them to get involved first, then, to the former, they must not have wanted it too badly and, to the latter, I’ve help in exposing them to the people who are already here.

Nothing wrong with a little criticism and I in no way kneecapped their ability to do anything. What’s wrong with expecting a little quality over quantity here?

PS…why are you using quotation marks around rivals, superfluous and unnecessary? Are they quotes? Were you being sarcastic? I can’t tell.

]]> By: Chris Cardinal http://www.valleyprblog.com/professional-development/should-phoenix-start-hotpavement/comment-page-1/#comment-12230 Chris Cardinal Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:20:00 +0000 http://www.valleyprblog.com/?p=3336#comment-12230 Tyler, Whether an event "needs to exist" or not is really a matter for the market to determine. If it doesn't "need" to exist, people won't show up. It's as simple as that. I don't agree that one needs to be careful before starting a meetup in case theirs overlaps other meetups like it's some zero-sum game here. People will show up and, if they like what they see, continue to show up and contribute. Whether or not it's "needed" doesn't really matter—again, if no one shows up, it's safe to assume it wasn't needed. If the organizer wants to start what might be considered a "rival", "superfluous", or "unnecessary" event, then the community will vote with their feet and he'll feel a bit silly if it doesn't work out. And people like you can say "told ya so". No need to kneecap them out of the gate because you think the need is already being sufficiently met, though. :-) --Chris Cardinal Tyler,

Whether an event “needs to exist” or not is really a matter for the market to determine. If it doesn’t “need” to exist, people won’t show up. It’s as simple as that. I don’t agree that one needs to be careful before starting a meetup in case theirs overlaps other meetups like it’s some zero-sum game here.

People will show up and, if they like what they see, continue to show up and contribute. Whether or not it’s “needed” doesn’t really matter—again, if no one shows up, it’s safe to assume it wasn’t needed. If the organizer wants to start what might be considered a “rival”, “superfluous”, or “unnecessary” event, then the community will vote with their feet and he’ll feel a bit silly if it doesn’t work out.

And people like you can say “told ya so”. No need to kneecap them out of the gate because you think the need is already being sufficiently met, though. :-)

–Chris Cardinal

]]> By: Linda VandeVrede http://www.valleyprblog.com/professional-development/should-phoenix-start-hotpavement/comment-page-1/#comment-12178 Linda VandeVrede Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:16:47 +0000 http://www.valleyprblog.com/?p=3336#comment-12178 Wow - thanks everyone for weighing in. Tyler - thanks for the tip about eventification. It would be nice to go to one place to see all the meetups that are happening here. I belong to a number of organizations that have a "mission" or "cause," and I drive a fairly long way to get to them. The social side of me is looking for more meetups closer to home (Scottsdale) that are mission-free. I work from home, don't want to be on any more committees, no desire to hawk for business, and truly get my thrills out of meeting up with different kinds of people, preferably over a good martini. Phoenix is definitely an area of a lot of transplants who are looking for more ways to connect face to face. I personally see a lot of room for numerous meetup groups all over the Valley. No matter how scintinallting a group might be, I'm lazy and hate battling traffic to Tempe, downtown Phoenix, Glendale, etc. I'm not able to sit that long, anyway, without pain. So maybe in 2010 I'll initiate a few tweetups for like-minded people in Scottsdale who just want to have a drink or two and discuss life. Anybody with me? Wow – thanks everyone for weighing in. Tyler – thanks for the tip about eventification. It would be nice to go to one place to see all the meetups that are happening here.
I belong to a number of organizations that have a “mission” or “cause,” and I drive a fairly long way to get to them. The social side of me is looking for more meetups closer to home (Scottsdale) that are mission-free. I work from home, don’t want to be on any more committees, no desire to hawk for business, and truly get my thrills out of meeting up with different kinds of people, preferably over a good martini.
Phoenix is definitely an area of a lot of transplants who are looking for more ways to connect face to face. I personally see a lot of room for numerous meetup groups all over the Valley. No matter how scintinallting a group might be, I’m lazy and hate battling traffic to Tempe, downtown Phoenix, Glendale, etc. I’m not able to sit that long, anyway, without pain.
So maybe in 2010 I’ll initiate a few tweetups for like-minded people in Scottsdale who just want to have a drink or two and discuss life. Anybody with me?

]]> By: Dan Wool http://www.valleyprblog.com/professional-development/should-phoenix-start-hotpavement/comment-page-1/#comment-12176 Dan Wool Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:33:46 +0000 http://www.valleyprblog.com/?p=3336#comment-12176 Don't we have Jon Talton? ;) Don’t we have Jon Talton? ;)

]]> By: Jeff Moriarty http://www.valleyprblog.com/professional-development/should-phoenix-start-hotpavement/comment-page-1/#comment-12169 Jeff Moriarty Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:07:33 +0000 http://www.valleyprblog.com/?p=3336#comment-12169 Personally I'd rather see people get involved and help shape the many events we already have than making new ones. Reading this post, I don't see anything really unique being proposed. Personally I’d rather see people get involved and help shape the many events we already have than making new ones. Reading this post, I don’t see anything really unique being proposed.

]]> By: Tyler Hurst http://www.valleyprblog.com/professional-development/should-phoenix-start-hotpavement/comment-page-1/#comment-12168 Tyler Hurst Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:58:06 +0000 http://www.valleyprblog.com/?p=3336#comment-12168 One problem most groups/meetups face is that they have no outcome, no goals and really no reason for existing beyond the social aspect. I hope that the groups that exist purely to exist are honest with what they are (social opportunities) and what they are not (places to actually accomplish SOMETHING). We have meetups nearly every day of the week and most, if not all, are free. Hell, http://phoenixfridaynight.com meets in four distinct locations nearly every Friday and is open to all professions, ages and cultures. You also have sites like http://eventification.com that are attempting to establish a one-size-fits-all database of local recurring events. Want to start your own group? Great, but get involved in others first so you can determine if it actually needs to exist. One problem most groups/meetups face is that they have no outcome, no goals and really no reason for existing beyond the social aspect.

I hope that the groups that exist purely to exist are honest with what they are (social opportunities) and what they are not (places to actually accomplish SOMETHING).

We have meetups nearly every day of the week and most, if not all, are free. Hell, http://phoenixfridaynight.com meets in four distinct locations nearly every Friday and is open to all professions, ages and cultures.

You also have sites like http://eventification.com that are attempting to establish a one-size-fits-all database of local recurring events.

Want to start your own group? Great, but get involved in others first so you can determine if it actually needs to exist.

]]> By: Sam Ewen http://www.valleyprblog.com/professional-development/should-phoenix-start-hotpavement/comment-page-1/#comment-12166 Sam Ewen Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:37:55 +0000 http://www.valleyprblog.com/?p=3336#comment-12166 Besides Shankman's comment (which is true), CP is solid and should not be looked at as some insidious organization (although insidious and PR often go hand in hand :-). I would welcome it in NY anytime. Besides Shankman’s comment (which is true), CP is solid and should not be looked at as some insidious organization (although insidious and PR often go hand in hand :-) .
I would welcome it in NY anytime.

]]> By: Sarah Geiger http://www.valleyprblog.com/professional-development/should-phoenix-start-hotpavement/comment-page-1/#comment-12165 Sarah Geiger Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:33:07 +0000 http://www.valleyprblog.com/?p=3336#comment-12165 Hey Brian, I think your group is great, it is always nice to know what other communities are doing. Don't get me wrong, AZ has tons of great networking groups (small to large), however it doesn't hurt to meet new people. Kudos to you and your passion for connecting with others! Hey Brian,

I think your group is great, it is always nice to know what other communities are doing. Don’t get me wrong, AZ has tons of great networking groups (small to large), however it doesn’t hurt to meet new people.

Kudos to you and your passion for connecting with others!

]]> By: Jessica Randazza http://www.valleyprblog.com/professional-development/should-phoenix-start-hotpavement/comment-page-1/#comment-12164 Jessica Randazza Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:27:21 +0000 http://www.valleyprblog.com/?p=3336#comment-12164 Thanks, Peter :) Thanks, Peter :)

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