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		<title>By: Micah Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.valleyprblog.com/hype/are-we-the-new-ambulance-chasers/comment-page-1/#comment-9484</link>
		<dc:creator>Micah Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m disturbed by this seemingly new trend of hiring a &quot;publicist&quot; for major news story subjects.  It appears that some PR people have decided that taking on handling the image of a murder suspect, abduction (Natalie Halloway), Michael Jackson&#039;s trial, Octomom, etc., is the latest way to drum up business and supposedly improve their exposure.  I&#039;m sorry, but I would NOT hire the publicist handling something like that. Whatever happened to guilt by association?  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m disturbed by this seemingly new trend of hiring a &#8220;publicist&#8221; for major news story subjects.  It appears that some PR people have decided that taking on handling the image of a murder suspect, abduction (Natalie Halloway), Michael Jackson&#8217;s trial, Octomom, etc., is the latest way to drum up business and supposedly improve their exposure.  I&#8217;m sorry, but I would NOT hire the publicist handling something like that. Whatever happened to guilt by association?  <img src='http://www.valleyprblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: GateTraffic&#187; Quotes for the week ending 15 Feb 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>GateTraffic&#187; Quotes for the week ending 15 Feb 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] VandeVrede, on ValleyPRBlog.com, commenting on a post about PR becoming tainted by [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] VandeVrede, on ValleyPRBlog.com, commenting on a post about PR becoming tainted by [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Wool</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Wool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, I was wrong above about the hospital&#039;s involvement. 

The moral is don&#039;t do pro bono work if you&#039;re not going to stick around to stick up for the client or cause.  That&#039;s shameful. If they really believed in her, they would have stuck around.  It&#039;s clear they wanted to show they could do a good job so they everyone would know them and they could get the payoff of new clients down the line. 

BTW, Charlotte&#039;s right, that PR person *IS* an ambulance chaser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, I was wrong above about the hospital&#8217;s involvement. </p>
<p>The moral is don&#8217;t do pro bono work if you&#8217;re not going to stick around to stick up for the client or cause.  That&#8217;s shameful. If they really believed in her, they would have stuck around.  It&#8217;s clear they wanted to show they could do a good job so they everyone would know them and they could get the payoff of new clients down the line. </p>
<p>BTW, Charlotte&#8217;s right, that PR person *IS* an ambulance chaser.</p>
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		<title>By: We are PR Practicioners, Not Ambulance Chasers &#171; PR Campaigns - The blog</title>
		<link>http://www.valleyprblog.com/hype/are-we-the-new-ambulance-chasers/comment-page-1/#comment-9139</link>
		<dc:creator>We are PR Practicioners, Not Ambulance Chasers &#171; PR Campaigns - The blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 02:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 3&#039;s Company PR &#8212; lmdavis2 @ 7:58 pm Tags: JMC417, PR  Charlotte Risch made an interesting post  in last week&#8217;s Valley PR Blog, she claimed that PR practioners may be the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 3&#8217;s Company PR &#8212; lmdavis2 @ 7:58 pm Tags: JMC417, PR  Charlotte Risch made an interesting post  in last week&#8217;s Valley PR Blog, she claimed that PR practioners may be the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wilma Mathews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wilma Mathews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rod Blagojevich also hired an agency to serve as his publicity advisor. They are the ones who encouraged and set up B&#039;s disastrous media tour. Disastrous unless you count the book deal and radio talk show invites the former governor got.
Everybody is entitled to have advisors -- there&#039;s nothing in the rule book that says the advisors have to be smart, ethical and professional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rod Blagojevich also hired an agency to serve as his publicity advisor. They are the ones who encouraged and set up B&#8217;s disastrous media tour. Disastrous unless you count the book deal and radio talk show invites the former governor got.<br />
Everybody is entitled to have advisors &#8212; there&#8217;s nothing in the rule book that says the advisors have to be smart, ethical and professional.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent Diggins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent Diggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I WANT to believe the firm did pro bono work to help out a single mother being trashed in the media, but do I REALLY believe that? No.

Moral of the story? 

Don&#039;t do pro bono &quot;PR&quot; for whack jobs who think they look like Angelina Jolie (Brad Pitt won&#039;t be marrying her!, but then again he DOES like kids...)

Brent Diggins
Mindspace PR
@bdiggs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I WANT to believe the firm did pro bono work to help out a single mother being trashed in the media, but do I REALLY believe that? No.</p>
<p>Moral of the story? </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t do pro bono &#8220;PR&#8221; for whack jobs who think they look like Angelina Jolie (Brad Pitt won&#8217;t be marrying her!, but then again he DOES like kids&#8230;)</p>
<p>Brent Diggins<br />
Mindspace PR<br />
@bdiggs</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Veihdeffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Veihdeffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 01:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read a comment from the PR agency this morning declaring that they were resigning the account because of death threats. (The account was pro bono. What astounded me was the statement (roughly) &quot;We got her through the tough part.&quot; 

I&#039;m thinking that Suleman&#039;s reputation was tarnished from day one...and cascaded downhill in a free fall downhill every day after that...&lt;i&gt;especially once the PR firm got into the act!&lt;/i&gt; I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever seen someone go down that fast and with that much rabid and intense dislike from the public. Even the recently deposed Illinois governor (who name I&#039;ll spare you from my spelling) had a few ups with his downs.

If the PR agency was a therapy group or life coach, I&#039;d understand the comment but it seemed like taking credit for the sinking of the Titanic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a comment from the PR agency this morning declaring that they were resigning the account because of death threats. (The account was pro bono. What astounded me was the statement (roughly) &#8220;We got her through the tough part.&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking that Suleman&#8217;s reputation was tarnished from day one&#8230;and cascaded downhill in a free fall downhill every day after that&#8230;<i>especially once the PR firm got into the act!</i> I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever seen someone go down that fast and with that much rabid and intense dislike from the public. Even the recently deposed Illinois governor (who name I&#8217;ll spare you from my spelling) had a few ups with his downs.</p>
<p>If the PR agency was a therapy group or life coach, I&#8217;d understand the comment but it seemed like taking credit for the sinking of the Titanic.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda VandeVrede</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda VandeVrede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I think in this particular instance, we can hate the player.  And the reason is her (the publicist&#039;s)performance on a couple of different TV shows.  She didn&#039;t do her client any favors, and it made me wonder where she got her crisis PR training and how she is able to claim that niche for herself and her agency.  I also suspect that her agency made itself known to Nadya, and that Kaiser had nothing to do with it.   Maybe we&#039;ll known in a few more weeks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I think in this particular instance, we can hate the player.  And the reason is her (the publicist&#8217;s)performance on a couple of different TV shows.  She didn&#8217;t do her client any favors, and it made me wonder where she got her crisis PR training and how she is able to claim that niche for herself and her agency.  I also suspect that her agency made itself known to Nadya, and that Kaiser had nothing to do with it.   Maybe we&#8217;ll known in a few more weeks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Wool</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Wool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can debate the effectiveness, but I hate to tell you Charlotte, the PR people are doing what they&#039;re supposed to be doing. 

First, I don&#039;t think she was the one who hired the PR pros. (I hope not!)  I presume it was Kaiser Permanente/the hospital, who hired the PR help. If that is the case, Kaiser got exactly what they needed. 

Let&#039;s put our moral judgments of the mother aside for a moment and look at what PR people are supposed to do in a crisis: get out in front and present and defend the client&#039;s side of the story so the client can focus on operations (i.e. what they&#039;re really supposed to be doing). 
Ideally, you turn public opinion in the process. 

You had a hospital that was under siege from the press while doctors and staff were trying to do the delicate work of helping 8, 1-pound babies grow. You had a mother of then 6 kids who&#039;s post-partum and trying to recover (from childbirth/surgery) and ultimately get adjusted to raising 14 kids. 

Getting someone to coordinate this madness for 30-90 days was exactly the right call. 

The PR people are not the problem - the client/personality is the problem. 

Back to moral judgments - she is a nut-job on welfare and food stamps who thinks she&#039;s Angelina Jolie and was enabled/emboldened by other nut jobs (fertility doc, sperm donor, etc). 

Remember: &quot;great product is the best PR&quot; also works in reverse.  If she was more aligned with societal norms like the squeaky-clean septuplet families who came before her or say, a widow, she&#039;d be celebrated and the 8 would be awash in diaper endorsements and a big bucks photo exclusive in People magazine. 

Hate the playa not the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can debate the effectiveness, but I hate to tell you Charlotte, the PR people are doing what they&#8217;re supposed to be doing. </p>
<p>First, I don&#8217;t think she was the one who hired the PR pros. (I hope not!)  I presume it was Kaiser Permanente/the hospital, who hired the PR help. If that is the case, Kaiser got exactly what they needed. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s put our moral judgments of the mother aside for a moment and look at what PR people are supposed to do in a crisis: get out in front and present and defend the client&#8217;s side of the story so the client can focus on operations (i.e. what they&#8217;re really supposed to be doing).<br />
Ideally, you turn public opinion in the process. </p>
<p>You had a hospital that was under siege from the press while doctors and staff were trying to do the delicate work of helping 8, 1-pound babies grow. You had a mother of then 6 kids who&#8217;s post-partum and trying to recover (from childbirth/surgery) and ultimately get adjusted to raising 14 kids. </p>
<p>Getting someone to coordinate this madness for 30-90 days was exactly the right call. </p>
<p>The PR people are not the problem &#8211; the client/personality is the problem. </p>
<p>Back to moral judgments &#8211; she is a nut-job on welfare and food stamps who thinks she&#8217;s Angelina Jolie and was enabled/emboldened by other nut jobs (fertility doc, sperm donor, etc). </p>
<p>Remember: &#8220;great product is the best PR&#8221; also works in reverse.  If she was more aligned with societal norms like the squeaky-clean septuplet families who came before her or say, a widow, she&#8217;d be celebrated and the 8 would be awash in diaper endorsements and a big bucks photo exclusive in People magazine. </p>
<p>Hate the playa not the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this day we live in. I see this post, rush to YouTube (the Dr. Phil interview wasn&#039;t there, but Larry King was) and see what I missed.

30 years ago, it was run to the library, use index cards and spend hours doing a half-&quot;done&quot; job because all the information you can get today was not in your library.

The problem with our field is licensing. PR experts have pushed for this since the mid-&#039;50s. 10 years in media, then into PR.

It takes more effort to get a driver&#039;s license than it does to get in to PR. Barry Kluger told an excellent story on this site about last week a waitress, this week a PR pro.

Yet, it is employers, and clients like Nadya Suleman, that ruin the field. While nearly 200 journalists laid off last year in Phoenix are currently un- or under- employed, waitresses and secretaries are still getting PR jobs.

On the other hand, almost anyone can get a TV show - Larry King, Dr. Phil, Jerry Springer, Michael Hanity on and on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this day we live in. I see this post, rush to YouTube (the Dr. Phil interview wasn&#8217;t there, but Larry King was) and see what I missed.</p>
<p>30 years ago, it was run to the library, use index cards and spend hours doing a half-&#8221;done&#8221; job because all the information you can get today was not in your library.</p>
<p>The problem with our field is licensing. PR experts have pushed for this since the mid-&#8217;50s. 10 years in media, then into PR.</p>
<p>It takes more effort to get a driver&#8217;s license than it does to get in to PR. Barry Kluger told an excellent story on this site about last week a waitress, this week a PR pro.</p>
<p>Yet, it is employers, and clients like Nadya Suleman, that ruin the field. While nearly 200 journalists laid off last year in Phoenix are currently un- or under- employed, waitresses and secretaries are still getting PR jobs.</p>
<p>On the other hand, almost anyone can get a TV show &#8211; Larry King, Dr. Phil, Jerry Springer, Michael Hanity on and on.</p>
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